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Interesting discussion on Adobe Flash and OS X ..

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/apple_adobe_flash

[ebgb]

interesting reading. I've grown very much to hate flash over the last year.

Flash player 10 on anything less than an intel duocore is an utter nightmare, and about as easy as herpes to get rid of to re-install flash 9

it is an interesting point that flash is the only 'web standard' that's not open source in any way shape or form

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It looked like one of the web pages Steve visited on the iPad demo showed a missing plugin. Most likely Flash. My guess is iPad won't support flash.

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I have installed this cause tired of going to web pages that suck up so much CPU bandwidth ..

http://clicktoflash.com/

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16 month-old bug continues to crash Flash ..

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/02/06/16-month-...ash-flash/

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Comic

[ActiveCaptain]

Most developers code around the bugs.

I like Flash. It's a wonderful environment - one of the few truly multi-platform developer environments that runs embedded in a web page. It's certainly better than any of the Java I've seen embedded.

I also like html5/css/ajax. That will probably replace Flash although Flash apps still seem much more like real apps to me than any of the Ajax stuff.

We have 20,000 users hitting our site's 300,000 line ActionScript 3/Flash app in large numbers today. There are currently no outstanding bugs and no one complains of any crashes. One of the problems is that a lot of non-programmers write Flash code that does bad things to resources, etc.

That said, I wish Adobe would bring the Mac version up to the Windows one for the player.

[ebgb]

I used to like flash, but have grown to hate it. There was so much you could do quickly and easily in AS2 then AS3 came along an baboom.... throw it all away and start again

[ActiveCaptain]

Yeah, AS3 took more time to get the swing but it is incredibly powerful. It's also very nice to create classes outside of the Flash environment using normal editors. AS3 is much more like normal C++/Objective-C programming. It is much less forgiving than AS2.

[ebgb]

kinda screws all the designers out there that had a reasonable design tool taken away from them and replaced with a programming environment instead though. There's very few people that are can walk the line between being a good programmer and a good designer

Just wish adobe would spend some of their time addressing all the damn bugs in the flash player and the flex compiler

I have a prediction that the power of AS3 could be its downfall in the long run as it makes a superb platform for the delivery of viruses

[ActiveCaptain]

I have a prediction that the power of AS3 could be its downfall in the long run as it makes a superb platform for the delivery of viruses

Interesting allegation. Do you have anything factual that can back it up?

I think that if you look at all of the Flash content still showing up on many sites, it's pretty obvious that AS3's extra development requirements haven't done much to hurt its use. Even with AS2, I don't think there were too many commercial art designers adding easing scripts for their animations. It's always been a developer type of thing.

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New iPhone Developer Agreement Bans the Use of Adobe's Flash-to-iPhone Compiler

[bobetter]

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/11/steve-job...ion-3-3-1/

Well, I guess that pretty much spells the end of Flash based apps for iPhone/iPad. Can't say I'll miss it, I don't think I use any.

[ActiveCaptain]

I've written about a dozen little test apps for mobile phones using FlashLite and even Flash 7 (which is supported on Windows Mobile). I have to say that it just doesn't give the right experience for the user. I don't think Flash belongs on the iPhone. The whole XCode development works to create very clean and quick code especially since it links so closely to the OS. Flash would just seem sluggish and unresponsive.

[ebgb]

sorta reminds me of the old days, writing stuff for the mac in c, using MPW and think C versus the apps that were being churned out in 4GL's like omnis and stuff

the C (or even pascal back then!) written stuff was always a lot slicker

[ActiveCaptain]

Somewhat related is interesting news that Android 2.2 includes the ability to run Flash 10.1 (a very new version with the latest features including all of AS3). More info here:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/hands-on-with-android-22-froyo-and-adobe-flash-player-101

I have to say that I truly miss the ability to have Flash on my iPad and really question Apple's decision to leave it out along with Steve Jobs' "5 points" about why they didn't implement it. There are just too many sites that I come to that don't work correctly because Flash isn't there. I never realized how pervasive Flash was on so many sites.

Like who knew that Google Analytics used Flash? Without Flash, accessing the GA site on the iPad just doesn't work. I worry about the chasm that this is creating for the iPad specifically. It would be sad to see the iPad turn into another Newton (which I also have)...

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No doubt this shaping up to be an Apple vs. Google battle. Competition is good.

http://daringfireball.net/2010/05/post_io_thoughts

[cyberhusky]

I have to say that I truly miss the ability to have Flash on my iPad and really question Apple's decision to leave it out along with Steve Jobs' "5 points" about why they didn't implement it. There are just too many sites that I come to that don't work correctly because Flash isn't there. I never realized how pervasive Flash was on so many sites.

Like who knew that Google Analytics used Flash? Without Flash, accessing the GA site on the iPad just doesn't work. I worry about the chasm that this is creating for the iPad specifically. It would be sad to see the iPad turn into another Newton (which I also have)...

I think the trend will go to HTML 5 also for other FLASH related sites.

What I have seen what's possible with HTML5, and more and more site switching to HTML5, Flash is being doomed in the near future. Microsoft and IBM are pro HTML5 as are Apple.
Customers want to have the site on the iPad, so many are leaving Flash behind and do switch to HTML 5.

I think Google will do so also, even if they ally with Adobe, but that's only to have more people switch to the Android system. If they will have many consumers, they will get rid of Flash too.

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Test shows Flash 10.1 bogging down Android 2.2

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/....by.flash/

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/24/web-...atibility/

And of course there is a Flash link for a video on the above page.

[ebgb]

I was sitting on the fence a bit with th jobs V adobe arguement

then out of curiosity, after installing CS5 I thought I build an iPhone app in flash. something really really basic, just diaplay some text really

and build the same thing in the iPhone SDK

Uber basic cos my C skills date back to system 7!

the results were quite intersting. the flash version was huge by comparison - and obviously slower

so I can sorta see where stevo is coming from a bit

HTML 5 does indeed look like its going to be the horse to follow IMHO

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New version 10.1 for Mac OS X..

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

[jagasail]

One thing I'm finding since getting my ipad, is more and more of the video on the few news sites I use are viewable on the ipad. Initially I almost always got the warning that Flash wasn't installed (or whatever the message was...) but now I'm getting to view many more of them.

Scot

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Yes agree this is the trend. Either there is an app for iPad or a new website.

[jagasail]

Well, however it's done, it's a good trend!

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This looks very interesting ..

"SproutCore is an HTML5 application framework for building responsive, desktop-caliber apps in any modern web browser, without plugins."

http://www.sproutcore.com/what-is-sproutcore/